I like Japanese cartoons, for example Sailor Moon. I have seen that first they made the drawings, and then they scanned them. But, exactly in which program are made Japanese cartoons. In flash, maybe or not?
Thanks for your help, everybody!
I like Japanese cartoons, for example Sailor Moon. I have seen that first they made the drawings, and then they scanned them. But, exactly in which program are made Japanese cartoons. In flash, maybe or not?
Thanks for your help, everybody!
Nononono. Not on Flash.
But it's the same form of thinking: vector graphics.
There are dozens of professional softwares who do this. Some widely known and used are ToonBoom, ToonZ and TCP. I'm not sure which ones are preferred in Japan tho.
Take a look at some making ofs like Akira's and Metropolis'
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wait wait wait..
I thought I though I saw a show once that showed how they'd done akira..
and that was BEFORE they'd strat using computers all over the place, from sketching to fetching the coffe .. right??
I though Akira was drawn on paper, then traced on cells , and gouached the old fashioned, also known as Traditional way( which in it's own time would probably 've been qualified as revolutionary or somethinglike it , no??)
Anyway..
Metropolis has a lot of cg init alos( and, by theway , i LIKED that movie!.. I thought it was a nice hommage to tezuka!)
As far as nowadays, i'd agree with Daniel with the NO flash stuff.
I hear Us animation is pretty popular among large production companies( Especially since it costs so much and is only really that effective when you're thinking in terms of series or long films!)
Toon boom if i'm not mistaken is a branch of US ANIMATION?
yes?
no??
I do know that some timnes, what you see can be very deceiptive
for instance.
For a while i thought Power puff gilrs was a flash cartoons.
But , hey, I was told it is not!!
so.
that was just a five cents worth of my two cents
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On the AKIRA DVD, there is about 40mn (more or less) of making of. It was drawn on paper, they used a sort of xero_copie to transfert the clean-up drawings on cell, than finally gouached by hand.
Akira + Metropolis = same director...Otomo (i love his work).
Hey Daniel, "TCP" ? or "CTP " ;)...
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i ain't big fan of anime, but speaking of each i guess dbz is best at that category.
TOEI Animators simlpy rocks :D (GIJoe/Transformers/DBZ)
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TCP, PCT, CPT... you name it! :D
Akira's animation was all done by hand. That fact makes the movie even more astonishing. I think the greatest use of computers in it was the composing of the soundtrack--then again, it was recorded by live humans with wooden instruments!
I'm not sure which one of these new animes are donw with vector-traced drawings. Usually I see this technique being used in american and canadian TV animation, like Nickelodeon's series for example.
A good example of its capabilities it that Cartoon Network series, Chalk World or something. The way they use the textures on the lines, it's pretty nifty.
I wonder when people will experiment more with it, also using colored outlines, or even no lines at all, like they do in Samurai Jack.
By the way, I saw the guy who paints Samurai Jack's backgrounds... he uses gouache and and a piece of paper smaller about the size of a letter!!! Man's fnkicug maniac... All bow to Samurai Jack's background... o// o// o//
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DBZ the best anime? Um, I strongly, strongly disagree. Take a look at things like Ghost in the Shell or Black Magic M66 or Tank Police or Neo Genesis Evangelion or Escafolwne for good quality anime. DBZ is 4 frame loop heaven. blah.
:o CPT=Corel photo paint...oups...i just find...
Good quality anime ?...i rather think about Memories, especially "Magnetic Rose":cool: , or, regardless to the story, Spriggan.
I just realise (don't know where was my mind), i work on a TV serie made in flash. But it wasn't "vector-traced drawings", i mean not vector-traced hand-drawings". We were using groups, wich is less expensive and faster (like Mucha Lucha i guess)
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It's Pitch.mov
Sad that the production was so messy :( , i think that could have been much better.
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hey!
Hi JULIEN
another frenchy!
seems to be a lot more on this forum then I'd expected
Hi there!
Daniel..
I agree...
Akira was very very very impressive
But .. what about metropolis??
outside of teh obvious three d models for the city .. was any other animation Cg??
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If my memory serves me correctly there were some other CG elements in Metropolis. The robot character that looked like a dustbin I think.
While I agree with Pascal that the movie was a laudable homage to Osamu Tezuka, I thought it was pretty weak in terms of the political themes explored in Fritz Lang's original.
AHAHAH
You know,,the funny thing is I loved the original Lang movie, Metropolis( allthough when i saw it redubbed in english with some pop music i had a weird sensation, not unlike a hnagover..lol)..
But , the otomo one didn't seem to me to be at all the originalone.
But,, now that you mentionit ..
DUh.. Of course
lol
tezuka's stuff always had that verypolitical aspect to it though.. so.. that's probably why i wasn't trying too hard to make a connection..
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ender,
yeah i know what you mean, but back then [1988-1986+-] and almost 300 episodes and x budget & time with no use of mass computers and hand painted cells you can't expect much.
what keeps dbz in that category are the good character buildup and nice (but still repetitive) stories which aid more in the atmoshphere,
well, i ain't gonna change anyone's opinion thats for sure and dbz i think is just good in that category thats it.
other cartoons may be good as well as you mentioned, but they are not my favour animes
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In 1986-1988 you had also the "Saint Seya" series (The Knight of the Zodiac in french). A huge success in Belgium and France along with "DragonBall" (the first series), then came DBZ.
I agree, back in that time these series were a "must see" animation - all done the old fashion ways: paper, ink and paint. :D
with the today standard in animation, of course, they do not seem so good as they were then, but that's how everything work : the new replace the old, and as had said the Wise "One generation come, one disappear, the sun rise and the sun set, there is nothing new under the sun." :D
snif, that remember me I'm getting old, snif, snif! :eek:
Oh yeah.. les chevaliers du zodiques, along with the first dragon ball series, and...
Jeanne et Serge
HAHAAHAHH
JOEL.. I think we must have the VERY same background.
it's frightenning..
allthough, i like beeing my age!
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I beleive professional japanese animators use RETAS PRo. (www.retas.com). It's the very first 2d aniamton program released in japan for animation production on tv, and alot of major studios use it too.
I always marvelled at the "transformation" and "magic" sequences in Sailor Moon because they looped them in every single show but i thought they were great.
All the half-hour anime shows have a lot of looped footage and shortcuts in movement though, that's just a characteristic of anime i thought.
Akira is in a different league.
Sure Gamirk,
Sailor Moon is TV serie, Akira was a feature movie, so it is'nt the same budget.
In a TV serie you have to be economic, in Akira it was more like a performance according to Otomo.
"...transformation" and "magic" sequences..." is a good (cheap//fast) way to make more in an episode.
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Oh yes... Those transformations!
lol
they were pretty famous or infamos for takig a bulk of time in the animation, But , as it has been pointed out , they usually were very fun to watch..
from gigi turning into a young woman( from a 10 year old girl!)
, to actarus jumping into goldorak which, up to this date, i'm still trying to figur out why he didn't take the stairs like everybody else( lol, just kidding!)
They also had those in TV series that were not animated..
such as Xor where the main character turns into a semi robot or puts on a space suit in 1 third of a nano second or something like that..
It went so fast , that the narrator( yeah, there was always a narrator at that very point of the show) would say..
let's see this scene in slow motion,shall we... and , there, every episode, you'd see that guy do his thing and turn into the hero in shining plastic armor..
FUN!
( seriously!I loved those shows.. x or, spectroma, etc etc..)
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