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VOLUNTEER ANIMATORS (background animators and such...) NEEDED!
By Tinker_Jet | Sunday, August 7, 2005 at 12:54pm
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VOLUNTEER ANIMATORS (background animators and such...) NEEDED!
So are you doing a pilot, or are you expecting volunteers to produce 26 half-hours?
I suppose having the second entry revolve around you skinny-dipping is a headhunting tactic?
I'd be hesitant to reply (I'm even hesitant to post here for that matter) for fear of using my name and posting our corespondance on your web page. I'd suggest keeping correspondance and at the very least your contacts' names to yourself.
Also, you're only fifteen. You have plenty of time to learn to draw and in a couple years you could be designing it yourself. I didn't start animating until I was about 25.
And if you're really serious about this project, you may want to dedicate a site solely to it rather than sorting through a huge blog page of your 1EE7 speak blog.
And this is a big one. After reading Anne Manz's reply, I would say SCAM, big scam. Save your money for acting and singing lessons. Join the school play, but do NOT give her any money. Why won't she mention who she represents? Most agents drop names like crazy hoping to get you. Why is she based in Ohio instead of LA where much of the casting for major films takes place? Look up Anne Heyman Manz on IMDB.com and you won't find a thing. Casting directors do get credits in films. Surely, if she were so big she'd have a credit for something.
Producing solidily ok animation since 2001.
www.galaxy12.com
Now with more doodling!
www.galaxy12.com/latenight
Hey!? :eek:
I didn't realize you were going to post our email conversations on your website. I'd appreciate it if you would remove them. It just makes me feel uncomfortable to see something discussed between the two of us displayed for all to see. You can simply tell people about what we discussed without having to show them the actual emails.
Also, I'm not too keen on being known as "the animator who would not take the job because I would not pay." I make my living as a freelance animator and artist, and I am also working on developing my own original ideas. Taking into account my family, clients, and my own projects, I simply do not have the means to dedicate that much time, energy, or work into a project that is strictly volunteer.
There isn't anything wrong with declining a job where you know you wouldn't be a good fit for the project, free or otherwise. However, you seem to have implied a negative conotation on your website.
I didn't realize your age when I responded to your post, but I'll just chalk everything up to youthful enthusiam. :rolleyes: But in the future, you will greatly increase your professionalism by not publicly posting private conversations without permission. (Boy, that's a lot of P's...)
Oh, and one more thing. He = She.
Sharvonique Studios
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ScatteredLogical - I am so sorry... I didn't mean... I am going to put all the Phantom Cat stuff and my personal stuff separate once I get a different place to put it... infact my friend and I recently created a different journal which I will start posting in... (and no... it's no headhunting tactic... I'm not a murdurer, thank you very much. >_______<)
DSB - as for the volunteers... basically yes... I need volunteers to help me produce 26 half hour episodes...
kdiddy13 - alright... I'll be very careful now though I'm already fearful for the information I gave out... I'm lucky I didn't give out my phone number. x.x also, I appreciate the advice you've given me... I will keep all you told me in mind.
Sharvonique - I'm sorry... I didn't mean anything rude by it... I was just saying how disappointed I was because you wouldn't take the job... I'll remove it ASAP and... oh... you can kill me later for mixed identity. x.x goes to show you how tired I am.
Ah, well. In that case...
That will NEVER happen! There are few guarantees in life, but you can take this one to the bank!
Do you have any idea how much work goes into producing 26 half-hours of animation? You won't find anyone willing to volunteer that much time for what is obviously intended to be a money-making enterprise.
it's not neccessarily meant to make money... and I'm aware of that but I tend to try and bend the rules... and yes... I'm aware of the work and time involved... but I'm in no hurry... I already have four animators on my side who believe in me... who will help me animate Phantom Cat. the more animators I have willing to help me, the faster it will go and the lighter the work-loads will be... and HA on you... there's this movie called Wolf... all the animators are volunteer... there's alot of time that goes into animating a movie as well... I know more time and such will go into animating a series but if you go for it... and believe you can do it... hey! it'll happen. =) ah... whatever... if you wish not to help, than you should just say so.
thanks for your support. v_________v
Thanks for removing the emails. :p
But just remember, as a general rule you should NEVER post emails publicly. It doesn't create a proffessional appearance and you could open yourself up to legal action if you're not careful.
Sharvonique Studios
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Animated By Sharvonique Blog
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thanks... =D and I'll keep that in mind... next time I'll get permission before doing that. *huggle* I appreciate you being so kind, my friend. ^____^ no hard feelings, than?
None at all. ;)
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Animated By Sharvonique Blog
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In order:
Tink, no one plans to make 26 half-hours and doesn't plan to sell them. That just doesn't happen.
You're going to need a WHOLE LOT more, and hope to hold onto all of them.
Real mature. There's a difference between starting a free, collaborative movie (or series), and finishing one. I know - I've worked on them before, and it's hard to keep the work flowing even for a :30 PSA, let alone a movie.
You may be right - it may happen. There's a first time for everything, and you may be the one who convinces a battalion of animators to give away their time and talent to work on your massive project. If so, I want you selling my next series :0)
It's not about me not helping, it's about the endless stream of people like you that ask for something for nothing. After the first hundred or so, we tend to get a bit testy. What you fail to realize is that it's insulting to professionals (and students, for that matter) to solicit for free work. It implies that what we do has no value. You said it yourself - you can't animate. That means folks like me possess a skill set that you don't, yet you don't value that skill set enough to even give token compensation (screen credit and "exposure" don't qualify as compensation, btw). And you wonder why people react negatively.
Best of luck to you.
[also in order...]
well I never said I wasn't going to sell them... I just said this isn't going to be made to make money... any money I get will go into continuing the series or the money will be evenly distributed back to the people who worked so hard creating it...
I'm aware of that... hopefully my animators will remain loyal to me over the time it takes to create this series. :)
and I guess... I still have much to learn.
lol... thankie... =P serieszzz rawk!
and I guess that I'm asking for something but it's not neccessarily for nothing... and I wish I could give something back to the animators that bring Phantom Cat to life... that's why I guess I'll be seeking out sponsers and other things so by the time this is all over, I will have something to give my animators... to satisfy them... and everyone will be content. =)
and thank you very much. I appreciate your support and advice.
and to Sharvonique - thanks hun... appreciate it! ^____^
to ScatteredLogical - and what kind of definitions did you have in mind? v____v
for a sixteen-year old, already splitting hairs between
'not selling' and 'not meant to make money' are signs that
you can pull this one off.
a businessman once said, "when it comes to money,
be interestingly vague."
have a funny feeling i'll be seeing you soon enough heading
an overseas studio here in the far east with all the animators
that your heart desires <____>.
and with your sharp sense
i don't think you'll need luck at all.
Don't worry. All shall be well.
I wrote a story and I'm trying to pitch it to Frederator for their "Oh Yeah! Cartoons" show.
I wrote it. I'm not getting anything. If it gets selected for the show, I don't know if I'm getting anything. Frederator's using their producers, they're paying for the voice talent, and they're paying for the storyboard artist.
Now I can't even get my foot in their door unless I have some art, so I put up an ad and I got a LOT of replies. By a lot, I mean over thirty.
Here's what I said:
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Storyboard Artist Needed - No Money (KEEP READING ANYWAY)
A cartoon company is accepting pitches for seven-minute cartoons. 39 will be selected. I think my story could be one of them.
I need someone to work with me to produce 20-30 key frame sketches and some character art that I can use in my pitch. There is no pay for the sketches - HOWEVER - if the cartoon is picked up, they will pay you for producing the storyboards for the cartoon.
Best case: you get a paid gig, screen credit, and something for the resume.
Worst case: you get some cool sketches for your portfolio.
If you're interested, email me with a link to your work. I'll email you details of the story. If you agree that the story sounds solid and you're still interested, we'll go from there.
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Why did I get so many replies to a free offer with only hopes of future payment? Because I wasn't asking them to make 26 episodes of animation, or even 30 seconds. All I need are sketches, not that much effort considering the potential payoff. Also, I DO have an interesting storyline. Finally, there is even the possibility of being picked up as a series (Fairly OddParents was born this way, plus two others) so there's a potentially HUGE payoff.
I'm not likely to make anything. I'm doin' it for love. And I didn't have a lot to offer, so I didn't ask for a lot.
You're asking for a LOT.
Hey TJ :) Hey Listen...I honestly think you've got a MUCH better chance doing something like spaceghost2k is saying. Pitch your story idea, don't try and get it made yourself. 26 edispodes is whole lot of work..even more than a feature like Wolf is. And what's more is that you're asking peple to work on "your" story and most creative people have thier own pet projects. To get anyone insterested they'd have to really beilive in it. The reason I got so far with Wolf, I believe, is that everyone involved has a say. They are able to take an active part in forming the story, thereby it has become less "my" work and has become "ours".
Unfortunately, your age is also going to work against you here. There are going to be legal issues involved with this, even if it's contracts and you're not even leagally old enough to sign one. And you WILL want contracts, trust me on that one..I learned the lesson. :)
Get some books on pitching and selling your idea..I think that is your best bet. There is a good one that I have http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0240805135/ref=sib_rdr_dp/104-5759585-1469567?%5Fencoding=UTF8&no=283155&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER&st=books and I'm sure there are more out there.
Oh and a headhunter is a name for a recruiter...someone who finds jobs for people.
~Audrey
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www.wolfmovie.com
I know I'm asking for alot... but I'm in no rush to get it... I know people have family and such and better things to do than to spend alot of time with my project... but again, I'm not asking for alot of time... just alittle now and than until it gets finished. =) I know I'm only 15 but this probably won't be getting animated until I'm 18... there's still alot of work that needs to be done... and I need to be old enough to be able to sign contracts and such... and also... I want people to look at me as an equal... I know that my age is currently playing cruel tricks that will work against me majorly! well... to me... even now... the sky's the limit and I hope people will be kind enough to lend some time now and than.
kukut - thank you SO much! I really appreciate your support! =D you are truly awesome... if you want... you can join my forum and show some support for Phantom Cat. www.tinkermiyoko.proboards45.com
Krazyklaws - thanks, Audrey. I REALLY appreciate your advice and I will do my very best to use it. ^____^ I still need to finish my scripts and such of course... but hey... is it too early to go around pitching my idea or should I wait until the last script is written? erg... I really do have alot to learn. anyways... if you ever get on AIM again, we can discuss it there or even through e-mail. lol. tis up to you. thanks again, I greatly appreciate your support. =D
Perhaps another definition might fit the context better?