When we meet, I'll bring along some storyboard material from professional productions (including that "Little Vampire" live-action feature they did some years ago) and you'll see there really isn't any reason to feel ashamed. Quite on the contrary. ('sides, can't be that bad, you're showing it to us, aren't you? ;))
When we meet, I'll bring along some storyboard material from professional productions (including that "Little Vampire" live-action feature they did some years ago) and you'll see there really isn't any reason to feel ashamed. Quite on the contrary. ('sides, can't be that bad, you're showing it to us, aren't you? ;))
Little Vampire?? Rüdiger und Anton???? I loved them!!!!! Wanna see, wanna meet!!!! :D
Yeah, as I've already mentioned some of em I really still like today. But something that makes me proud is, that, even though it's been a while since I've left them, the Banditos are still setting a great value on my work, otherwise they wouldn't have put so many drawings online.
It's good not to be forgotten and just be replaced by another trainee.
Another thing.... my first complete finished scene for my application film:
Very good compositing and painting!
As for the animation, I like the jumps a lot - but there's an awful lot of them, isn't there? Is it motivated by the plot that the chick jumps up and down sixteen times before ending the whole thing in what I guess is crowing? Maybe, I dunno, three would do? Or you could vary the timing of the jumps, letting the chick start slowly and make him get faster and faster so that the crowing comes as a climax viewers expect because he picks up the pace. Watching it, I got a little too used to all that jumping at always the same timing and didn't really realise at first it's the anticipation for the crowing part.
Since this is a finished scene, I don't really want to quibble a lot with the posing because that would require altering entire frames - but, and I'm only saying this because I can't hear any sound with the action, if you exaggerated the key poses of the crowing more it would get clearer just from the mime aspect of the scene. (Just asking because there are no speakers attached to this PC on which I'm watching the whole thing - is there sound with that scene?)
But apart from all that, considering you're doing this mostly on your own and on top of your other work - amazing effort!
Thank you, :p
yes, it could be confusing to see him jump so many times, and the fast timing takes a lot of the actual bouncy effect of the animation, but I animated it ON BEAT of the planned music. Also the crowing, which has a very cool effect if you see it with sound. There is no sound on the file I up-loaded... but you can convince yourself, when you see the whole finished film ;)
Hey, a red glowing head!!! Excellent idea!!! But first I have to find s.o. who explains me how I can do this with Animo.... I have no clue:confused:
Here is another linetest....
looks pretty good and very fluid as well.I have a feeling it will look twice as good when you finish it considering th history of your other linetest's. :D
Ohhh you're sooooooo sweeeeeet :)
Thank you so much. But I need critics on my animations, especially on the linetests, wanna correct my mistakes before cleanuppig...
But if you like things, you can tell mee too, of course :D :D :D
I looped it for a bit and found your volumes look great, the stretch on the way down is very good. My one concern is perhaps he could use a bit more squash when he lands, to really sell that weight of his.
here's the scene after the clean-up and compositing. Well the compositing isn't complete yet, the other pupils are missing.You may recognize that I had some trouble with the proportions of the head, but hopefully it doesn't matter much because it's a very short scene. ohh my god! Sooo much work for only 2 seconds.... and the film ist gonig to be 2 min 45.... :eek:
it looks pretty good however when he gets off the desk it doesnt flow very well.try adding a frame or two.
Never add more frames!! It will throw off the timing and thats bad. All you can really do, is fix what you have. So, its a matter of spacing more than likely.
Bandita: Looks great! What are you using to color and composite this? I love it! My one problem is the landing doesn't seem to have enough weight on it still. But, thats nitpick at this point. Great work!
I'm with Ontaious here.
I'd try taking a frame or two out of the second half of the bit when the chick slides out of his chair to show that he gathers momentum, or speed, as he is pulled towards the ground. I'd then cushion out again when he hits the ground.
I think there's a slight stutter in the part when he hangs his head, too. Maybe you just switched frames when reading the scene into Animo.
No, I actually took frames out, because the head proportions looked horrible. Yes, maybe I retime it, but I'm afraid, it'll stutter. For that moment, I'll leave it so, if I've enough time after completening all scenes, I may go over it once again.
By the way, thanks for all your comments! I really appreciate it!
@ Ontaious: Unfortunately I read your comment concerning the landing after having clean upped the scene.
Which programs:
OK, first, I use Cinema 4D for backgroudmodeling+ Sketch and Toon Plug-in, Third wish's Magpie Pro for Lip Sync, then for my line tests the monkey Jam freeware linetester, for ink and paint Animo (for me the coolest animation program ever!), and for compositing, shadows etc. Combustion
I'm going to have to look into those programs myself. I to use Monkey Jam to test my work. Well, good luck with the project! I can't wait to see the final piece.
Ok, you are right. I'm not satisfied with this scene at all. I actually did it twice, because the first one was so bad, that I didn't want it to appear in the film. But I learned a lot by doing it wrong: For example, more frames doesn't always mean that you'll get a better animation! Characters sometimes stand still for a couple of seconds. The first animation had 36 frames this one has only got 17 (!!!) (no re-uses, just a stillstanding body level at the end. head is moving without re-uses...)
I wish I had more time, to make it look like I want it to look. :(Again thanks for your comments!!!
Wonderful movement! Flows really well and again kudos on the whip of the tail. Right now the only problem I have is reading the action. Not sure if he is snapping or waving his finger. Though I'm sure seeing it in context would help :)
thats great! im guessing he's snapping his fingers at someone, and pointing them to come? i really like the wackiness to the movements in your animation.. but one suggestion would be to slow things down just a tad before they come to a stop.. ease into them.. not necessarily by a lot, but just enough to make it a bit more smooth. this scene i think is fine, especially since youve already gone and cleaned it up and colored it, but maybe you could add a few frames at the end for his tail, so it doesnt stop so abrubtly. but yea.. its really good the way it is, and it might look better this way than with my suggestion, but i just wanted to give you some ideas to think about.
so anyways, you're really doin great stuff! keep cranking em out! im guessing this is for your own short? if so, when do you'll think itll be finished? cuz id really like to see the finished film.
Thanks Brien, your ideas are right! If I'll have time enough at the end, I'll go over all scenes where some of you gave me some advices, but my first priority is to finish the film. It has to be sent to university at least at february 15th!!! So there it HAS TO be finished.
Concerning showing the film: For my application version I used some music, of which I do not own the rights. The music is great and exactly what I wanted to have. So, I'm not allewed to show this version on the internet. For this reason, I'll send DVDs by postal delivery way to all of you, who helped me so much here (especially to Thunderobot, Ontaious and Jabberwocky). If you send me your adress, I'll send you one too.... hmmm, the film will be in PAL. Is there a possibility to play it by computer or do I have to convert it into NTSC?
thats great! im guessing he's snapping his fingers at someone, and pointing them to come? i really like the wackiness to the movements in your animation.. but one suggestion would be to slow things down just a tad before they come to a stop.. ease into them.. not necessarily by a lot, but just enough to make it a bit more smooth. this scene i think is fine, especially since youve already gone and cleaned it up and colored it, but maybe you could add a few frames at the end for his tail, so it doesnt stop so abrubtly. but yea.. its really good the way it is, and it might look better this way than with my suggestion, but i just wanted to give you some ideas to think about.
so anyways, you're really doin great stuff! keep cranking em out! im guessing this is for your own short? if so, when do you'll think itll be finished? cuz id really like to see the finished film.
Kidding, I can see he's wiping away a tear. Your ruff linetests are always a bit blurry, but that's hardly your fault. I think there might be something up with the perspective and distance between his eyes when he moves his head up, but as you said before, that's stuff to worry about once you're done with everything else. Holdin' up well, go for it!
Oh, and about a DVD copy for people in America - best create a Windows Media playable rip of the finished version. Those can be compressed a little, too, so it'll nicely fit on a CD instead of a DVD.
Thats so nice of you to offer me a dvd but to be honest i bet you can put your film on the internet as long as you arent making a profit from it. :D
hmmm... I'm afraid I won't be able to put it online. I've informed myself bout this. Indeed you've to pay less, but also a high amount of money, even if you don't make profit from it, just for "publishing" it... :(
All cleaned, coloured and sharp it makes perfect sense.
There are details I'd quibble with but taking care of those is for later (if at all).
-commence nit-picking-
For my taste, the chick's eyes wander apart a little too far as he lifts his head. I also think the secondary animation of his quiff would work better if it had more of an arc to it. The way it is, it moves right, little follow-through, then upwards left and a tiny follow-through to the right again - has a bit of a zig-zag quality to it. It's not technically "wrong" in my eyes. Then when the head follows the wiping hand, you have it stop for a fraction which disrupts the flow of the movement a little.
Well alright, that's really nit-picking. I doubt people who can't see this frame-by-frame will notice. I had a very strict clean-up teacher, though. :D
Thank you, hmmmm, yes, I've got to learn a lot, I think... Oh, I really, really, really hope it'll be adequate for the purpose of application... hope they could see a little potential.... :confused:
I've so much fear of it, because the only accept 10 out of ca. 200-500 applicants per year. And they really get great stuff, especially in the section of 3d....
I've only had few time, because of the deadline of our current project at work. So, I'll add some frames at the beginning and at the end, but the next short scene will be something like this....
Greetz
Great work as usual. I really like the emotion. Maybe you should make the anticipation a bit more explicit by slightly stretching the character before changing it's facial expression. But I guess this is hard to do, since it is a birds-eye-view.
Actually there is truly nothing to crit on this one – I love it! :D
Thank you so much! Yes, it's a very difficult perspective and again a scene, which is animated on beat, so I had to retime the anticipation on 1's.
BTW, I'll write back as soon, as I can!!
It would be stronger if he blinked between eye key poses rather than inbetweened straight from one expression to another; an anticipation of sorts for the eye expressions. Encorporate the brows down in the blink and favour the angry eye expressions as you have it. Just a quick blink.
When we meet, I'll bring along some storyboard material from professional productions (including that "Little Vampire" live-action feature they did some years ago) and you'll see there really isn't any reason to feel ashamed. Quite on the contrary. ('sides, can't be that bad, you're showing it to us, aren't you? ;))
Little Vampire?? Rüdiger und Anton???? I loved them!!!!! Wanna see, wanna meet!!!! :D
Yeah, as I've already mentioned some of em I really still like today. But something that makes me proud is, that, even though it's been a while since I've left them, the Banditos are still setting a great value on my work, otherwise they wouldn't have put so many drawings online.
It's good not to be forgotten and just be replaced by another trainee.
Another thing.... my first complete finished scene for my application film:
http://media.putfile.com/Scene29
http://violabaier.blogspot.com/
Here's the newest linetest.... I'll send more linetests in near future...
comments please... :)
http://media.putfile.com/Testscene11
http://violabaier.blogspot.com/
nice job (though its hard to tell what it is because of the blue lines)
it is a baby right lol?
and nice job on the finished chicken scene too. :D
Thanks Thunder :)
Yeah, it's a baby.... Here is the finished scene....
http://media.putfile.com/Scsne11
http://violabaier.blogspot.com/
awesome!
its amazing to see the finished version with the pencil test. :D
I really like him especially the squash and stretch he does.
great job cant wait to see more. :D
Very good compositing and painting!
As for the animation, I like the jumps a lot - but there's an awful lot of them, isn't there? Is it motivated by the plot that the chick jumps up and down sixteen times before ending the whole thing in what I guess is crowing? Maybe, I dunno, three would do? Or you could vary the timing of the jumps, letting the chick start slowly and make him get faster and faster so that the crowing comes as a climax viewers expect because he picks up the pace. Watching it, I got a little too used to all that jumping at always the same timing and didn't really realise at first it's the anticipation for the crowing part.
Since this is a finished scene, I don't really want to quibble a lot with the posing because that would require altering entire frames - but, and I'm only saying this because I can't hear any sound with the action, if you exaggerated the key poses of the crowing more it would get clearer just from the mime aspect of the scene. (Just asking because there are no speakers attached to this PC on which I'm watching the whole thing - is there sound with that scene?)
But apart from all that, considering you're doing this mostly on your own and on top of your other work - amazing effort!
Thank you, :p
yes, it could be confusing to see him jump so many times, and the fast timing takes a lot of the actual bouncy effect of the animation, but I animated it ON BEAT of the planned music. Also the crowing, which has a very cool effect if you see it with sound. There is no sound on the file I up-loaded... but you can convince yourself, when you see the whole finished film ;)
http://violabaier.blogspot.com/
Interesting. Yes, the sound everything is timed to should make things much clearer.
I would start the chick out, jumping just like that three times, then speed it up until he glows red and explodes.
But that's just me.
Hey, a red glowing head!!! Excellent idea!!! But first I have to find s.o. who explains me how I can do this with Animo.... I have no clue:confused:
Here is another linetest....
http://media.putfile.com/Scene6
Uhhhhhggggg, sorry, very bad quality....
http://violabaier.blogspot.com/
looks pretty good and very fluid as well.I have a feeling it will look twice as good when you finish it considering th history of your other linetest's. :D
You are very gifted, Bandita.
Bandita is the best-a -it rymes
lol
Ohhh you're sooooooo sweeeeeet :)
Thank you so much. But I need critics on my animations, especially on the linetests, wanna correct my mistakes before cleanuppig...
But if you like things, you can tell mee too, of course :D :D :D
http://violabaier.blogspot.com/
well to be honest i dont really have any critiques.
though as soon as i find something that i can critique i will. :D
I looped it for a bit and found your volumes look great, the stretch on the way down is very good. My one concern is perhaps he could use a bit more squash when he lands, to really sell that weight of his.
Other than that I say "good jorb" :)
Ontiaous
Black Anvil Designs©
here's the scene after the clean-up and compositing. Well the compositing isn't complete yet, the other pupils are missing.You may recognize that I had some trouble with the proportions of the head, but hopefully it doesn't matter much because it's a very short scene. ohh my god! Sooo much work for only 2 seconds.... and the film ist gonig to be 2 min 45.... :eek:
http://media.putfile.com/Scene6-NotCompleted
http://violabaier.blogspot.com/
it looks pretty good however when he gets off the desk it doesnt flow very well.try adding a frame or two.
ther than that i think its great :D
Never add more frames!! It will throw off the timing and thats bad. All you can really do, is fix what you have. So, its a matter of spacing more than likely.
Bandita: Looks great! What are you using to color and composite this? I love it! My one problem is the landing doesn't seem to have enough weight on it still. But, thats nitpick at this point. Great work!
Ontiaous
Black Anvil Designs©
I'm with Ontaious here.
I'd try taking a frame or two out of the second half of the bit when the chick slides out of his chair to show that he gathers momentum, or speed, as he is pulled towards the ground. I'd then cushion out again when he hits the ground.
I think there's a slight stutter in the part when he hangs his head, too. Maybe you just switched frames when reading the scene into Animo.
No, I actually took frames out, because the head proportions looked horrible. Yes, maybe I retime it, but I'm afraid, it'll stutter. For that moment, I'll leave it so, if I've enough time after completening all scenes, I may go over it once again.
By the way, thanks for all your comments! I really appreciate it!
@ Ontaious: Unfortunately I read your comment concerning the landing after having clean upped the scene.
Which programs:
OK, first, I use Cinema 4D for backgroudmodeling+ Sketch and Toon Plug-in, Third wish's Magpie Pro for Lip Sync, then for my line tests the monkey Jam freeware linetester, for ink and paint Animo (for me the coolest animation program ever!), and for compositing, shadows etc. Combustion
http://violabaier.blogspot.com/
I'm going to have to look into those programs myself. I to use Monkey Jam to test my work. Well, good luck with the project! I can't wait to see the final piece.
Ontiaous
Black Anvil Designs©
Here is a very short new scene for my film .... :D
http://media.putfile.com/Scene-4-1
http://violabaier.blogspot.com/
i really dont like that camera move there but im sure it will work well in the film.
so how many frames is this(excluding re-used drawings)?
My one comment would be he needs a little anticipation before going back. It might be there and I'm not able to see it though :)
I love the whip of the tail, very nice!
Can't wait to see the final product.
Ontiaous
Black Anvil Designs©
Ok, you are right. I'm not satisfied with this scene at all. I actually did it twice, because the first one was so bad, that I didn't want it to appear in the film. But I learned a lot by doing it wrong: For example, more frames doesn't always mean that you'll get a better animation! Characters sometimes stand still for a couple of seconds. The first animation had 36 frames this one has only got 17 (!!!) (no re-uses, just a stillstanding body level at the end. head is moving without re-uses...)
I wish I had more time, to make it look like I want it to look. :(Again thanks for your comments!!!
http://violabaier.blogspot.com/
This is what I did today. (No blue lines Thunderobot :D )
http://media.putfile.com/Linetest-4-2
http://violabaier.blogspot.com/
cool
i really like this one its very fluid and has alot of squash and stretch. :D
When the chicken moves he looks like hes made of rubber.I dont know about you but i like that in a cartoon character. :D
nice job bandita cant wait to see more!
Wonderful movement! Flows really well and again kudos on the whip of the tail. Right now the only problem I have is reading the action. Not sure if he is snapping or waving his finger. Though I'm sure seeing it in context would help :)
Keep up the good work!
Ontiaous
Black Anvil Designs©
I just finished the compositing of the previous linetest. Here's the result. :p
http://media.putfile.com/Scene-4-2
http://violabaier.blogspot.com/
thats great! im guessing he's snapping his fingers at someone, and pointing them to come? i really like the wackiness to the movements in your animation.. but one suggestion would be to slow things down just a tad before they come to a stop.. ease into them.. not necessarily by a lot, but just enough to make it a bit more smooth. this scene i think is fine, especially since youve already gone and cleaned it up and colored it, but maybe you could add a few frames at the end for his tail, so it doesnt stop so abrubtly. but yea.. its really good the way it is, and it might look better this way than with my suggestion, but i just wanted to give you some ideas to think about.
so anyways, you're really doin great stuff! keep cranking em out! im guessing this is for your own short? if so, when do you'll think itll be finished? cuz id really like to see the finished film.
Thanks Brien, your ideas are right! If I'll have time enough at the end, I'll go over all scenes where some of you gave me some advices, but my first priority is to finish the film. It has to be sent to university at least at february 15th!!! So there it HAS TO be finished.
Concerning showing the film: For my application version I used some music, of which I do not own the rights. The music is great and exactly what I wanted to have. So, I'm not allewed to show this version on the internet. For this reason, I'll send DVDs by postal delivery way to all of you, who helped me so much here (especially to Thunderobot, Ontaious and Jabberwocky). If you send me your adress, I'll send you one too.... hmmm, the film will be in PAL. Is there a possibility to play it by computer or do I have to convert it into NTSC?
http://violabaier.blogspot.com/
Here's another new linetest....
http://media.putfile.com/Linetest-Scene-5
http://violabaier.blogspot.com/
Oh my god, he's poking his own eye out!
Kidding, I can see he's wiping away a tear. Your ruff linetests are always a bit blurry, but that's hardly your fault. I think there might be something up with the perspective and distance between his eyes when he moves his head up, but as you said before, that's stuff to worry about once you're done with everything else. Holdin' up well, go for it!
Oh, and about a DVD copy for people in America - best create a Windows Media playable rip of the finished version. Those can be compressed a little, too, so it'll nicely fit on a CD instead of a DVD.
lol i cant tell whats going on in that last line test.Is he crying?
ohh and nice job on coloring the rooster. :D
Thats so nice of you to offer me a dvd but to be honest i bet you can put your film on the internet as long as you arent making a profit from it. :D
hmmm... I'm afraid I won't be able to put it online. I've informed myself bout this. Indeed you've to pay less, but also a high amount of money, even if you don't make profit from it, just for "publishing" it... :(
http://violabaier.blogspot.com/
I've been busy as a bee this night and now I can present the complete scene 5! :D
http://media.putfile.com/Scene-5
But now I'll have to go to bed, I'm tired as hell!! :(
http://violabaier.blogspot.com/
All cleaned, coloured and sharp it makes perfect sense.
There are details I'd quibble with but taking care of those is for later (if at all).
-commence nit-picking-
For my taste, the chick's eyes wander apart a little too far as he lifts his head. I also think the secondary animation of his quiff would work better if it had more of an arc to it. The way it is, it moves right, little follow-through, then upwards left and a tiny follow-through to the right again - has a bit of a zig-zag quality to it. It's not technically "wrong" in my eyes. Then when the head follows the wiping hand, you have it stop for a fraction which disrupts the flow of the movement a little.
Well alright, that's really nit-picking. I doubt people who can't see this frame-by-frame will notice. I had a very strict clean-up teacher, though. :D
the arm moves a little jerky-ly but other than that its great.The crying is very effective. :D
Thank you, hmmmm, yes, I've got to learn a lot, I think... Oh, I really, really, really hope it'll be adequate for the purpose of application... hope they could see a little potential.... :confused:
http://violabaier.blogspot.com/
im sure it will be. :D
I've so much fear of it, because the only accept 10 out of ca. 200-500 applicants per year. And they really get great stuff, especially in the section of 3d....
http://violabaier.blogspot.com/
I've only had few time, because of the deadline of our current project at work. So, I'll add some frames at the beginning and at the end, but the next short scene will be something like this....
Greetz
http://media.putfile.com/scene-1069
http://violabaier.blogspot.com/
Great work as usual. I really like the emotion. Maybe you should make the anticipation a bit more explicit by slightly stretching the character before changing it's facial expression. But I guess this is hard to do, since it is a birds-eye-view.
Actually there is truly nothing to crit on this one – I love it! :D
Looking forward to the finished piece.
Thank you so much! Yes, it's a very difficult perspective and again a scene, which is animated on beat, so I had to retime the anticipation on 1's.
BTW, I'll write back as soon, as I can!!
Here is the complete scene:
http://media.putfile.com/Scene10
http://violabaier.blogspot.com/
Awesome! The finished scene has far more emotion. You did a good job on the face, before switching his mood.
Keep it up!
i agree.It looks great bandita :D
Great angle and design.
It would be stronger if he blinked between eye key poses rather than inbetweened straight from one expression to another; an anticipation of sorts for the eye expressions. Encorporate the brows down in the blink and favour the angry eye expressions as you have it. Just a quick blink.
Very good !! ;)
But, I think the same as Graphiteman.
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