Hello ,
ours is a new 2d animation studio .I would like to welcome quotations ,from interested people ,who would like to do the story board for a one hr or one hr 10 minutes long 2d animation project, WITHIN A TIMEFRAME.
The characters are already done.
Employer Questions: (1) HAVE U DONE STORY BOARD FOR ANIMATION PROJECTS OR ELSEWHERE.
Our bid is $300.
$300??????????
Are you kidding?????
Consider that a storyboard for a 22 minutes tv episode routinely pays out at around $5,000 to $10,000 these days you will get ZERO takers with a $300 offering for a 60-70 minute show. Try $15,00-$20,000.
A properly told storyboard for 1 hour would require upwards of about 1000-1200 pages--at around 3 panels per page totalling a likely 3600 panels and you are offering a measly $300???
No-one in their right mind would do it for such a piddling amount.
Sorry fella, but get real.
"We all grow older, we do not have to grow up"--Archie Goodwin ( 1937-1998)
not only that. we are talking knowledge of cinema, mis-en-scene, shot set up, viewing planes, editing knowledge.
A guy charging $300 wont know a jump cut from a shaving cut.
a gentleman i know quite high up in the storyboarding world works out of Seattle and LA and charges about $15,000 a week.
250$ for a 60 min show board. Subhajit, come on man, you gotta be kidding right.
i think i am going to be just a little sick.
while Ken is quoting US based rates even in India i have done storyboards for a 11 min show for around 1100$.
so $300 for 60 mins is low even by Indian standards.
Hi!
I really don't understand what is bothering the others :confused: . If I can do a job at that amount why should they make such a cry of it? I am here to work and that's what I am doing. What they feel or say is their problem and not mine. I have done storyboards for a number of projects as I have already stated... and I am quite sure that handling yours would not be difficult for me. If you can trust my skill and confidence then i am all ready to work with you. I trust your sense of discretion will not get swayed away by folks who consider it a privilege to undermine others. I would like to send you a few of my sample works — i bet you will like them. So what do you say?
nothing is bothering the others mate. none of us are angling for the work. the problem is you are doing the work at like low wages even for overseas shops. it cheapens the job, cheapens the skill behind it and it gives of a scent of a chop shop or a very low quality outfit.
these are problems i personally have. of course these are just my neuroses.
Hi!
ours is a 2D Animation unit called Trendy Toons and we do all sorts of work related to 2d animation and have very skilled Story Board Artists. We are very interested in doing your work.
Yes we have done storyboards for a number of projects and 2D Animation production for the television.
We are very interested. However it is rather difficult to bid without having any knowledge of the work, yet if something is expected of us since we are sincerely looking for these sort of short term projects, we would like to place a bid of 250$.
If you consider our proposition as satisfying then we will be looking forward to a early intimation.Our email address is trendytoons@gmail.com
Thankyou.
Regards,
Urmii B Kar,
Trendy Toons.
What the problem is here is that Skinnylizard and Ken Davis obviously don't have enough work on their plates to satisfy themselves. So they spend their days trolling these forums for other people to bash (probably out of loneliness or jealousy).
If these bottom-feeders want to be bottom-feeders, don't worry about it and go about your own business. I'm sure experienced "pros" like yourselves have no time to monitor them.
Judging from the amounts of posts they've each racked up, they are on here a lot more than they are doing animation work.
Zing!
Oooooh, the player reveals his petty self.
LOL, thanks for pegging yourself better than I ever could.
I suppose you are so up-and-coming yourself that you have scant seconds to post your missives between cutting deals, eh?
As a matter of fact, I have plenty of freelance gigs to keep me busy for the year, and teaching as well. I've the luxury of picking and choosing what I want to do,and I've worked to get to that stage.
As for bottom-feeding--geez, my resume' goes back 20 something years-its on AWN here--hardly been bottom-feeding.
Funny though--Skinnylizard hasnn't been caustic with you--he's been blunt and puzzled--but not caustic--and you slag him along with me.
Priceless.
Go back to your scams, sonny, you've been found out ( by yourself no less)--leave the real work to the pro's.
"We all grow older, we do not have to grow up"--Archie Goodwin ( 1937-1998)
You guys are exibiting your points and opinions, but have you all noticed that the true thread starter hasn't even taken into account your comments, look at the last time he has ever been on these forums.
I don't mean any one disrespect I'm just saying:confused:
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this is from Webster.com
Main Entry: bot·tom-feed·er
Pronunciation: 'bä-t&m-"fE-d&r
Function: noun
1 : a fish that feeds at the bottom
2 : one that is of the lowest status or rank
3 : an opportunist who seeks quick profit usually at the expense of others or from their misfortune
I think Ken and skinny lizzard would be considered to be the opposite of the deffinition.
For $300 Aaram, you'll get what you pay for.
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Ive been paid more doing a measly poster for a fund raising event.
I have spent three times as many hours doing a 25 panel board than i did on the mentioned poster.....
Im not even a "pro" yet and i know 300 is totally underselling what we do.
"who wouldn't want to make stuff for me? I'm awesome." -Bloo
and thats all im trying to say. Even if you consider the operational cost difference between an East Asia/India based studio.
This forum is the single best resource for budding and current animators to learn and mingle and i am fortunate to be a part of it. If anything i say has helped anyone thats fantastic. I spend time here because i get to hear about people in similar positions to mine and get to learn from their problems and offer what little advice i can.
I think you insult Ken who has put in a lot of solid good advice especially towards noobs who ask the same questions again and again. never has he once said SEARCH or GOOGLE. he comes out and offers his valuable time.
As for your PROJECT The questions you were asked, were the exact same ones any proffesional would ask.
Time frame, pay scale, responsibilities, style, technique, grade of animation.
If you are offering one of those work for free now and get the rest later type of deals, Fair enough, i got nothing against you, if someone likes the project i think they should be able to sign up for it,because we all need to start somewhere. But it should be clear upfront what you offer and not waste peoples time by saying its confidential etc.
As for being a bottom feeder. Im not going to say much except i have a team of 10, we do stuff we like, refuse a lot of gigs to be independent, its difficult but i am pretty far from a bottom feeder. Ive put in my time and worked myself upto a luxurious studio and a team you could never afford.
wanker.
Subhajit, it's not a matter of just wanting to work. It's also a matter of respecting your profession and valuing your talent. By accepting such an insulting bid for the amount of work they are requesting, you are essentialy undermining your worth as an artist.
Assume, if you will, that a 60 minute storyboard requires 540 panels. That's 9 panels per minute. I think the lowest to charge for storyboard work is $25 per panel. That totals about $13,500 ($25 x 540 panels). By accepting a job like this, you are only getting paid $0.56 per panel! I can only imagine how much lower that would be in rupees. Is your skill and talent really that cheap? I don't think it is, and neither should you.
From your post, you seem to have experience and appear to be quite confident in your skill. If that's the case, you should be able to recognize your worth and not accept fees that are ridiculously low. Better yet, because of your experience and talent, you should be commanding higher fees. It is your business if you decide to accept the job, but it becomes all of our business when people continue to think that they can take advantage of artists and undercharge us for our work.
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Men you should be ashamed of yourself to break prices like that!!!
Soon enough, everyone is going to ask for free work in animation...
For 300 I will do 60 frames for you, black and white
I think Ken and Skinny Lizard phrased their responses very nicely, The lack of profanity shows amazing self control.
Subhajit, it's a little bit retarded to underbid such a ridiculous amount.
shame shame.... research??
"Everyone" already does.
I quote rates to act as a harsh slap in the face for the ignorant, the non-committed and the charlatans.
If someone wants an idea of what to pay an artist, look at similarlly involved occupations like airline pilots, doctors or lawyers to get an idea.
And yes, animators and storyboard artists have a similar level of training: its not just the technical knowledge, its the artistic skills/intuitions combined with the hand training that qualify us for far more income than the insulting about listed above by the lead poster.
"We all grow older, we do not have to grow up"--Archie Goodwin ( 1937-1998)
Hi All
If anyone interested to work on storyboard projects in above rates, then please let me know. We have series of project but not all those are that long durations. Mostly 90-120 seconds.
Price should be lower, because also have limited budget but quality artists can work with us on long term bases.
Thanks
Hi, I'm interested about this work.. Let me now if u still looking for a storyboard artist..
thx
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